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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 26, 2010 9:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 20 Years Ago Today

That first pic. makes me incensed . ( No , not at you PG )
I am hard core about this , and I include our parental frailties , and humanness , in my opinions . When one has children , the game permanently changes . You don't do blanking speed balls when you have young children . No excuses . I wonder how his daughter feels about that song , talk about a bald faced lie , and / or that pic ? I have thought about her ( because of that pic ) often over the years . I have had good thoughts for her , and I hope her life is still not devastated by the wreckage of 20 years ago .
Suicide is the cowards way out . The real courage to face Hard life is with the survivors , as they clean up the mess , and try to pick up the shards of their life .
I also have some unsettling feelings about how the GD family reacted to his death . But , that's for another day .

Almost of my time seeing GD was w/ Brent . His were the paws that pleased . I grew to respect and like his work . I wish Brent could be still with us . A prayer and a good thought for his family that was left behind .



This post was modified by micah6vs8 on 2010-07-26 16:31:33

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jul 26, 2010 10:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 20 Years Ago Today

well I hated this song for several reasons. 1) it was a major buzzkill especially coming out of space 2) i knew the people who babysat his kids and pretty much knew he was an absentee Dad most of the time so therefore it was extremely gross to me when he brought her up for this which I witnessed at least once.

but I will say if you're going to rag on him for doing this then you can't give Jerry a pass. He was absent from their lives a great majority of the time. Hey I know artists and geniouses are compelled to their art that's what makes them great but it's still a fact that everything you're saying applies to Jerry too

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Jul 26, 2010 2:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 20 Years Ago Today

I'm pretty much with you on this. It may not be the "compassionate" response, but this song pisses me off for the same reasons you cite. I'm sure he meant it when he sang it, but somehow that is just not good enough. And, as JOTS said elsewhere in this thread, I REALLY hated it when they trucked the daughter out on stage for it. There are some really lovely space sessions leading into it, but I always skip this song

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Jul 26, 2010 12:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 20 Years Ago Today

Obviously Brent had his demons, but to say he was lying to his daughter when this song was written or when he sang it to her is speculation at best. I believe he probably meant it and believed it. Was he an ideal father, far from it, but then none of us are perfect. As I'm sure many here know, addiction is a cruel and relentless foe and not everyone is strong enough to overcome it.

In all fairness I would expect to see you direct the same anger at Jerry (not at the rest of the band members because they "failed to take action", because, ultimately, it was his choice) on the anniversary of his death. He was as much an absentee, addicted and thoughtless father as Brent was. His addiction was as much, in your words, the coward's way out, in that he chose to escape his demons and issues by commiting suicide in his own slow way. I'm sure he loved his daughters and assume he told them so, and if he didn't shame on him. For years we all knew that he would, in all probablility, not survive his addictions, and I never heard any deadheads propose a boycott, or anything like that, until Jerry got his act together. We were all content to bitch about it, and keep "feeding the beast".

This post was modified by Purple Gel on 2010-07-26 19:21:37

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 27, 2010 12:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 20 Years Ago Today PG / AR

Both of you have made points which give me pause .

I'll start w/ PG , paragraph #2 , and then blend things in .
You are completely right . I do judge the situations JG/BM differently , re: their children . I do not have a bottom line answer , but here are some things in the stew .
BM's direct exploitation of his daughter in song and performance , and taking AR's account in hand , that may have been the best moments w/ her father . Hard memories that I would not want .
I do give all artists slack . The length is determined by how much the Muse loves them , in my opinion . ( very objective , of course )
Death by suicide is different , then the slow death of addiction . I don't know why . Thinking
oh,
btw - How could anyone accuse another of not loving their child ? How would you know ? One's actions however , speak loudly .
Thanks for getting the noggin chugging .

I neglected this in prior posts ,

Brent Mydland , RIP

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Poster: ilkpssy Date: Jul 27, 2010 11:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 20 Years Ago Today PG / AR

yea well I've always subscribed to the idea of RIP was what it implied. Why drag dead people through the shit?

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 27, 2010 12:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 20 Years Ago Today PG / AR

I am a little confused . In 7 posts since you joined the forum on July 4 , all have been one liners , with all but one filled with sarcasm .
I do not know what GD you like . Years ? Shows ? I do not know your take on anything to do with the entire scene around GD . I just have one liners that tell me nothing . Who are you ? Tell us .

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jul 26, 2010 11:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 20 Years Ago Today

Phil implies in his book that being an absentee dad was pretty much the norm in the Dead, which is why he made an effort to be different. Good for him, but certainly Brent wasn't alone in not being around much. And good grief, Lisa was, I think, all of 18 when Brent married her! Some serious maturity issues going on there, along with the addiction.

But that doesn't mean the song was a lie. People can be messed up and make rotten choices and still love their kids. It's tragic that he never had a chance to get his life together.

Incidentally, if you've ever heard this interview, Brent was clearly either WAY out of his league intellectually compared to the others, or seriously messed up, or both:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd87-01-01.sbd.unknwon.23067.shnf

Incredibly talented, and by many accounts a sweet, shy guy. But he seems to have been overwhelmed by the life he led. For all his weaknesses (and I'd add mediocre songwriting and that annoying Toys R Us piano sound to the list), he was indeed a terrific organist and a brilliant musician who added so much to the band. What a loss.

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Poster: ilkpssy Date: Jul 26, 2010 10:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 20 Years Ago Today

were you walking on water while you typed that?

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 26, 2010 11:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 20 Years Ago Today

No . If I got out of the boat , I would sink like a mafia block .